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Move version section up

This is specific to minecraft.wiki, not the Fandom site

Please consider moving the latest versions upwards on the main page - maybe as the second or first section. It is more likely that users want to see latest update than learn what Minecraft is at this point.

Robotkoer (talk) 22:59, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Putting those versions all the way at the bottom actually was a bit of an afterthought - originally we did have the versions with the respective game, but that made the main page look very cluttered (image). Still, the general idea is that all the links for commonly used pages are probably more important than the current versions, which not everyone keeps actively up with. And the version box at the bottom is still very easily reachable, especially since the mainpage is much shorter than it was on Fandom.

If we do end up switching the boxes around, we have to keep in mind that on smaller screens, the version list is massive and takes up a ton of vertical space. Thus it would either need to be hidden by default, or be put at the bottom on Mobile only. | violine1101 ^(talk) 00:28, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I think your screenshot looks pretty great actually!

Just would need some CSS tweaks to ensure there is always at least a grid of 3 on mobile, and maybe also combine the platforms that have the same version. Robotkoer (talk) 05:07, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, the issue is that the main page from the image was missing quite a few features to make it work space-wise: specifically, Steam and Xbox Cloud Gaming were missing from Dungeons and Legends, and also there's no store links anywhere. Getting it into a grid of 3 on Mobile is difficult if not impossible, as with the current layout on mobile, the version list has just one version per row.
Personally I think it's fine as is, but if we do get more complaints about the version table being too difficult to reach, we can still tweak it. | violine1101 ^(talk) 05:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

De-emphasize Earth and Story Mode

This is specific to minecraft.wiki, not the Fandom site.

Minecraft Earth and Story Mode are discontinued games. While they are historically relevant, neither can be officially played anymore, so I do not think they deserve entire sections on the homepage.

Instead, I suggest them to be briefly mentioned as a part of some paragraph detailing the history of Minecraft.

Robotkoer (talk) 23:05, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

We had it previously where the main page was just a long paragraph describing the history of the game. However, looking back, this was not really relevant, and also user-unfriendly and hard to read through. So this new approach is more about showcasing what the wiki offers - and even though Minecraft Earth and Story Mode have been discontinued, the wiki still does have content about those games. So the main page is less about the Minecraft franchise as it is about the contents of the wiki.

At the same time, there's also layout considerations; removing these two sections would require a different kind of grid layout. | violine1101 ^(talk) 23:15, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose. The Minecraft franchise only has five games in total, while Earth and Story Mode are discontinued, that's not a reason to de-emphasize them. In the future if there are another one or two spin offs, I'd agree with de-emphasizing them, but right now there's just no need. - Harristic (talk) 12:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose per Harristic. BDJP ^(t|c) 08:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose per Violine and Harristic. ThatOneWolf ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:05, October 24, 2023

 Oppose per Violine and Harristic. Köpleres (talk) 13:10, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

De-emphasize Minecraft Education and China Edition

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There are four actively maintained editions of Minecraft: Java Edition, Bedrock Edition, Minecraft Education and China Edition.

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I would suggest this to be changed to the below or similar:

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There are four actively maintained editions of Minecraft: the two main editions are Java Edition and Bedrock Edition, and there is also Minecraft Education and China Edition.

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– alexiaya (talk) 11:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I can see the point, though I'd use somewhat different wording and probably show the differences. For example something like this:

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There are four actively maintained editions of Minecraft: Java Edition, the PC-exclusive original variant of the game; Bedrock Edition, with cross-play for Windows PCs and consoles; Minecraft Education, made for use in educational settings; and Minecraft China, made for players in mainland China.

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Do you think this is better than your proposal? Do you have further suggestions as to wording, or other suggestions? --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 12:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I like this better than the original proposal, but I would also mention mobile devices for Bedrock and avoid counting the Chinese version as an edition, it's just a localized release. I would go with something like this:

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There are three actively maintained editions of Minecraft: Java Edition, the PC-exclusive original variant of the game; Bedrock Edition, with cross-play for Windows PCs, mobile devices, and consoles; and Minecraft Education, made for use in educational settings. A localized version of Java Edition and Bedrock Edition is available in mainland China.

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--Capopanzo (talk) 12:52, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

While these two proposals are improvements, I think the length is rather important to think of. If we make this took long (which these proposals are in my opinion) we create more blank space in the main page boxes. I do think some sort of wording change is needed though, I don't support nor oppose any particular proposal that has been made or will be made. - Harristic (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree that a wording change would be useful, but also the length really is an issue. With Capopanzo's latest proposal, the text is too long in my opinion, and also way less clear to read through. The advantage of the current short list is that it is brief and you can just click on the different links to find out what the different "editions" actually are. How about:

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There are three actively maintained editions of Minecraft: Java Edition (PC); Bedrock Edition (Windows, mobile, and consoles); and Minecraft Education (for educational settings). There's also a localized release of the game for mainland China.

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That still conveys the same information while keeping it fairly brief. | violine1101 ^(talk) 19:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

 Support, way better than my suggestion!--Capopanzo (talk) 19:18, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

 Support, seems good. - - Harristic / Talk 08:06, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 Support. BDJP ^(t|c) 08:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

I've implemented this wording now. | violine1101 ^(talk) 04:17, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Swap Dungeons and Legends

Because Dungeons has been discontinued: https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/dungeons--25-million-players

This should apply to the homepage main section, "latest versions" and the sidebar links. One concern is that Dungeons has more subcategories currently listed though.

--Robotkoer (talk) 16:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Eventually we might be able to do that, however I don't think this change makes sense for the moment because (1) the wiki currently has much much much more content on Dungeons than on Legends - this is also reflected in the categories on the main page. Legends just currently doesn't have enough categories to link to, and (2) even though Dungeons became discontinued, its player base is arguably still bigger, and as such the interest in wiki articles for it would likely still be higher. (I'm wondering if we can record analytics about that and monitor how that develops) | violine1101 ^(talk) 07:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose because Dungeons is not discontinued, no longer receiving updates is not synonymous with being discontinued. It is still easily purchasable and its servers are online. I believe we should order the games first alphabetically, and second by whether or not they are discontinued. This produces the order: MC, MCD, MCL, MCE, MCSM. I'll also echo Violine's point that Dungeons has many more active players than Legends and should take priority even if it won't recieve new content. - - Harristic / Talk 08:05, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose per Harristic, for now at least. Only if and when the game is removed from digital storefronts and servers are taken offline is when a swap should take place. BDJP ^(t|c) 08:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Re-emphasize China Edition

Calling China Edition a localized release of the game is absurd. It is a different version of Minecraft from Java and Bedrock, and many of its features are completely unique. Its got exclusive mobs, pre-installed mods, its own mob vote, new game modes, items, biomes and bosses and a special launcher and China-only servers, and it is free-to-play (contributing to a massive player count). Calling it just a localized release fails to emphasize its differences from other versions of Minecraft. UltraUsurper (talk) 11:03, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

The features of China Edition is not different Edition from je and be,but its version is still 1.18(It updata to 1.20 on June 13 Xyhddd (talk) 14:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

(Edit: Even if we call China edition a localized release, it is still an actively maintained edition of Minecraft independent of Java and Bedrock. Why does the main page say there are three actively maintained editions of Minecraft and then mention four editions?) UltraUsurper (talk) 15:15, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

No it isn't absurd. There's no exclusive features in China Edition that completely differentiate it from vanilla gameplay. You still get the same set of mobs, blocks, worlds etc. There are some alternative "game modes", but I'm not sure if they are game modes, instead they are similar to mashup packs in the Bedrock Marketplace, but they're just called "game mode". These changes and additions are just localization to the Chinese market, e.g. F2P games are the normality and majority here, while they aren't nearly as popular in other countries.

In all, it's not wrong at all to call China Edition a localized release. It's the same game, based on the same codebases (Java and Bedrock), just with different flavors. We don't even pay too much of attention to it on the Chinese wiki, so why bother wasting a bunch of precious main page space on the English wiki? (PS: I'm from mainland China.) --Dianliang233 (talk) 11:16, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

You're right, China Edition isn't completely different from vanilla gameplay. But it is still a different and actively maintained version of Minecraft, making it fairly notable. It is the only local version of Minecraft, and I think that makes it worth mentioning as "China Edition" on the main page instead of "localized release". I mean, if we go that route, we could also call "Java Edition" as the "PC exclusive version" instead. The fact that China edition is a unique and actively maintained version of Minecraft make it notable enough to be emphasized with the other versions. It doesn't waste precious main page space, but it emphasizes what is a special and different version of Minecraft. I don't see why it should be de-emphasized at all. UltraUsurper (talk) 15:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

The main problem with calling it an "Edition" is that it is in concept different from the other editions we have. Java Edition is for PCs, Bedrock for other devices, and Education for education, and all of these editions are available worldwide. China Edition on the other hand is only available in China, and on top of that, contains both Java and Bedrock Edition. And as it's only locally available and pretty much encompasses the other editions, in my eyes it is way easier to understand and less confusing to call it a localized release, for players new to the game especially. | violine1101 ^(talk) 05:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Please change this sentence

This wiki and its 8,938 pages and 90,432 files...
This double-and kinda bothers me. Wouldn't it be better if it says
This wiki, its 8,938 pages and 90,432 files...
--Melwin22 (talk) 20:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I would think something like this would flow better:

This wiki's 8,938 pages and 90,432 files...

Also, you could just change the editcopy to reflect this. I'd make the change myself but only directors can edit this page, for obvious reasons. --ThatOneWolf ^{(talk|contribs)} 20:43, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Done. If the admins approve of the change, it'll appear on the main page eventually. This is exactly the type of change what the editcopy is for. - Jack McKalling (talk) 21:41, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Actually, the original suggestion is correct. The wiki itself is also managed and maintained by the users, ThatOneWolf. - Jack McKalling (talk) 21:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I've tweaked the phrasing again (very slightly) since the previous phrasing with the comma reads a bit awkwardly to me. The new phrasing is on the editcopy, if everyone's fine with that I'd also apply that to the main page itself. | violine1101 ^(talk) 07:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

You made it even better. Thanks - Jack McKalling (talk) 14:56, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Removing a link from Minecraft Dungeons

I would like to propose removing a link from the Minecraft Dungeons panel on the main page. This is for multiple reasons. The link I am suggesting to be removed is the Missions link, but this could be changed if necessary. Reasoning The mcd:mission page is currently essentially just a disambiguation page. There is a suggestion to turn it into an overview page, and if that does happen, it would be beneficial to keep this one on the page. Alternatively, the mcd:consumables link could be removed, as that page is also very barebones. Why do I want to remove a link in the first place? The Minecraft box has 16 links. In the majority of resolutions, this either splits evenly into 2 rows of 8, or 1 row of 16, which is very nice. However, the Minecraft Dungeons box has 9 links. In many resolutions, this leads to one link spilling onto the next line, adding unnecessary whitespace to the entire rest of the space horizontally from it. If 1 link is removed, there would be 8 link - exactly half of the number the minecraft box has. This would fit perfectly, as the Minecraft Dungeons box is also exactly half the size of the Minecraft box. However, this is of course just my opinion. plighting_engineerd (talk) 13:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

MCD:Mission was a redirect to MCD:Mission Select, which is a full and detailed page, but it was changed to a disambig-type page in the hopes that someone would then make it into a proper page. I've made it so the page redirects to MCD:Mission Select again, mainly because of it being on the main page as you've said. Missions are a core mechanic so it's important that link stays there. If we were to remove any link, consumables would probably be the best candidate.

To be honest the link spilling doesn't seem to be an issue on most resolutions, and even if it were, the same thing happens for the Minecraft section in some resolutions too. But I'd  support removing a link just to make things neater honestly, nine links is a bit excessive for Dungeons anyway. - Harristic / Talk 18:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

What about removing "Heroes"? Character selection doesn't seem as important as the other topics, and while I agree that the consumables page is pretty barebones, it does seem more relevant to gameplay. The MCD links shows as a neat 3x3 using fixed width on my screen, but I don't know if this also applies to fixed width on other screen dimensions.

As an aside, I've always found it unintuitive that the list of missions are on "Mission select", where the opening sentence describes only the mission select table itself. –Sonicwave ^talk 00:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

MCD:Mission Select was a page that was titled by Drour1234, a Dungeons namespace editor known for making some.. lets just say questionable editing/page naming decisions. I've not really been too keen on the name "Mission Select", as well as having the Mission table at the very top of the page. I think that MCD:Mission Select should just be about the table itself, whereas MCD:Mission should be the page with all the other content about the missions themselves, sort of the point Sonicwave was trying to make.

As for MCD:Consumables, I'd say keep it because it is a somewhat important gameplay mechanic and someone could always expand the page in the foreseeable future, which would be appreciated. James Haydon (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

MCD:Heroes is the least important, though honestly I'd rather change the link to MCD:Cosmetics instead of removing it, heroes are a form of cosmetic and cosmetics are a rather big mechanic in the game. - Harristic / Talk 13:25, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Remove Dungeons and Legends recent versions

I propose that the Dungeons and Legends sections of the recent versions part of the main page are removed. As both games are no longer receiving updates, the usefulness of the sections is questionable at best, compared to Minecraft which is receiving a new development version every week for a good chunk of any year. - Harristic / Talk 23:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support Maybe we could display the current Minecraft Education version on the main page instead and split the Minecraft section in Java and Bedrock Edition when the other sections are gone. — Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 13:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support I love this idea! --Eatyourglory (talk) 15:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support GIM Dianliang233 T C 02:20, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

 Comment I've made an updated version of the recent versions table that includes my proposed additions in my sandbox and I'd like to get some feedback on it: User:Delycache/sandbox/Main page versions - Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 13:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support if Java Edition's operating systems get separated like all the other editions. --Eatyourglory (talk) 16:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I  Oppose separating Java platforms just for the sake of it, as the game isn't meant to run on a specific set of platforms but instead on any platform that can fun modern-ish versions of Java. –MetalManeMc, French Wiki admin (Talk to me!) 17:27, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support removing them.  Support adding Education Edition (great idea, Delycache!).  Oppose dividing Minecraft into MCJE and MCBE per MetalManeMc -BrianGLHF (talk) 02:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Removing the buy links in latest versions

Note: Whenever I say "buy links" in this topic, I am talking about the external links under the edition. So in reality I am talking about any Buy, Trial, Download, Preview, Beta, Info, or Install links.

Since we're having another discussion about the latest versions section, I figured it would be helpful to get a clear consensus on whether or not we remove the buy links in particular.

I propose and therefore  support removing the buy links in the latest versions section. This would help declutter the section that is infamous for being cluttered (despite its improvement post-fork), making it simpler and easier to digest for users. We can afford to remove them because they arguably aren't useful. Generally, a wiki is visited only by players of the game, meaning the links are not useful to them, and users searching for where to buy the games will be presented with official resources before they are presented with the wiki. I think saving space in the latest versions section is very valuable as it makes designing a better layout for this section easier. - Harristic / Talk 16:46, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 Neutral. On DE German wiki they still have buy links on the main page. Although the ES Spanish wiki they don't have buy links on the main page. So neutral about this for now. The versions list primary needs the rows and columns rearranged with the groups, which seems to be the most primary issue, althoguh color can help differentiate between the groups, which is helpful. Delvin4519 (talk) 16:50, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I  Oppose removing them. While they do clutter a tiny bit the section, buying Minecraft and downloading betas and previews across devices is a real pain. –MetalManeMc, French Wiki admin (Talk to me!) 17:22, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

The wiki does not alleviate any pain you may have in buying Minecraft, in fact, you have to go out of your way to do it via the wiki, and it is slower. I'm not really sure what you mean by across versions, as in, playing the game across multiple devices at the same time? - Harristic / Talk 17:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose per MetalManeMc. --Eatyourglory (talk) 21:00, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 I oppose removing them now for the sake of (subjectively) being easier to design something in the future. If anyone has proposals of new designs with or without buy links I'd be happy to see what the rest of the community's opinions on the proposals are and leave my own notes on them as well. - BrianGLHF (talk) 22:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Move main page to "Main Page"

For wikipedia it is "Main Page" [1] Fred (talk) 21:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose, moving a main page would seriously affect user experience and search engine rankings; in fact, the current name was chosen because "main page" was thought to be worse for SEO than "Minecraft Wiki". There's nothing inherently critical about being like Wikipedia; the little bit of similarity is far outweighed by the above negatives. --AttemptToCallNil (talk) 05:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose, because one could argue the current main page is already on "Main Page", see the page tab name. As the page's level 1 title however, it is just hidden from display like it has always been. The URL is not going to change as ATCN above already explained. - Jack McKalling (talk) 08:42, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose per AttemptToCallNil –MetalManeMc, French Wiki admin (Talk to me!) 11:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose per ATCN --TreeIsLife (talk) 15:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose the reason the main page on Wikipedia is "Main Page" is because Wikipedia is itself within Wikipedia's notability, thus the title "Wikipedia" is needed for the article about Wikipedia. We do not have that same problem as the wiki is not considered notable by our guidelines (as its an "unofficial website"). If you look at other websites within the Wikipedia family such as MediaWiki, the main page is named after the website, or if you really want to compare to other projects Wiktionary places their main page in the project namespace. Its not worth copying another project, we should just do what is best for our site (and I think that is the MediaWiki style of the main page being the site name) –KnightMiner ^(t/c) 19:08, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Changes to Minecraft Earth section

I have made three changes to the Minecraft Earth section of the main page, you can see the changes here, this is a proposal to implement those changes.

1. Links to Buildplates and Adventures have been added in order to fill out the section and therefore increase its usefulness. Only two have been added, as we should probably keep the maximum links in these smaller sections to five, adding any more adds a bunch of whitespace.
2. I've changed the ruby and rare adventure chest icons to the fancy feather and rainbow wool icons respectively. I did this because rubies and adventure chests aren't really typical items or blocks, they're a currency and loot box respectively, so I thought it best to use a more traditional item and block. I chose fancy feathers and rainbow wool in particular because they are exclusive to Earth.
3. I have made sure all the icons are icons found in-game, instead of renders. This is just to keep things consistent and to utilise Earth's art style more, because it looked a bit odd to be having renders next to custom Earth icons.

- Harristic / Talk 15:32, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support. I fully support your decision, as the game was not limited to items and mobs. — SymORmaK (talk) 15:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support per SymORmaK -BrianGLHF (talk) 21:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Changes to Minecraft Legends section

I have made three changes to the Minecraft Legends section on the main page, you can see the changes here, this is a proposal to implement those changes.

1. I've removed the Golems link. This link is relatively not useful because a mob being a golem in Legends doesn't actually give it any unique gameplay functionality, it is simply a classification. Comparatively, Mounts are also just a type of mob, but they are vastly different in terms of gameplay and are a core gameplay mechanic.
2. To replace it, I've added the Resources link. Resources are a core mechanic in Legends, and now that its page is rather fleshed out and in a good state, I think it's a good idea to include it on the main page.
3. I've changed the Structures link to use the Gate icon instead of the Redstone Launcher icon. This is only a small tweak, I just felt like the Redstone Launcher icon was a bit too detailed and using a simpler icon would be nicer. In fact, in Legends the Redstone Launcher has a unique icon for when its in the hotbar since the icon is too detailed for the smaller display, most icons in the game don't do this. Gates are also much closer to being a default type structure, they're one of the first structures you unlock and are very basic.

- Harristic / Talk 15:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support — pretty good idea, especially about adding Resources link, as that is really useful page. METROKOP228 (обг., внесок) 16:04, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support — Agree with the changes. Minor tweak personally would be using the arrow tower instead of gates. The gates look a bit chunky compared to the other icons. -SmokeyStack (talk) 16:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

That's true, I'd agree with using the arrow tower icon instead. - Harristic / Talk 21:28, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

Add Commands

Add Commands button below Minecraft heading--Miner (talk) 14:19, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe this was not done because commands are a more technical feature and not content new players get confronted with. Only the most prominent features are showcased here, including tutorials since they also serve an important service to new players. - Jack McKalling (talk) 17:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Add Mace to Newest Content

Mace (added in 24w11a experimental 1.21) should be added to Newest Content --Miner (talk) 14:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

 Support: if we are going to have newest content on there, we may as well include the mace. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 14:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Make images more crisp

I noticed the images on the main page are sort of blurry. I think they would look more minecraft with pixelated rendering.

This can be accomplished by modifying the user CSS, adding this selector:

.mcw-mainpage-icon-img {
    image-rendering: pixelated;
}

It's only a simple request. If you want to know what I mean, I will go edit the edit copy real quick.

--Simanelix ^(T|C) 22:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Strong support. In addition to this, image-rendering: pixelated; could be added to the class for the grass subtitle banners as well, where it arguable makes an even bigger difference. Both changes combined would look like this:

.mcw-mainpage-icon-img, .mcwiki-header-grass {
	image-rendering: pixelated;
}

plighting_engineerd (talk) 01:16, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

 Amendment - not all the mainpage icons are meant to be pixelated. This styling should somehow only add them to the ones which are, probably by some additional parameter in the Minecraft_Wiki/icon template. However, the grass header pixelation that I suggested would work fine as-is. plighting_engineerd (talk) 00:03, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

 Added for grass header. GIM Dianliang233 T C 00:41, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Remove Smithing and Archaeology from the main page.

Smithing and Archaeology have no place on the main page. While they could be considered new systems added in 1.20, they are not distinct enough to warrant pages. Ultimately, smithing is just another workstation, but no other workstation has a place on the main page. Should we add banners here, too? Anvils? I say no - smithing is not a major system at the level of all other pages in the Minecraft section of the main page.

As for archaeology, it's hardly a system so much as it is another way of interacting with blocks. You right-click a block with a brush for a bit, and an item pops out - that's not any kind of gamechanging mechanic, and it doesn't really impact gameplay much. It's a new method of finding loot in structures. We haven't added spawners or vaults to the main page as a way to get new loot, nor are chests listed here as a way to find loot. Like with smithing, it's just not as major and can be coupled with other content already.

The true reason these were added to the main page was to help users navigate to them when 1.20 was recently released, but that time has passed, and we have a proper system in place now for showing the latest major content. Thus, Smithing and Archaeology's pages should be cut from the main page. - BD (talk) 00:49, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

 Support as proposer. - BD (talk) 00:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

 Support plighting_engineerd (talk) 00:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Why is there Minceraft instead of Minecraft

Everywhere in the page all the texts say "Minceraft"

Even logo and title in browser's tab – Unsigned comment added by Miner (talk • contribs) at 06:42, 1 April 2024 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

Just look at what the current date is and you'll understand why. James Haydon (talk) 06:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

April Fools' day! --Wilf233_zhMCW（论·功） 06:46, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

At least that's better than inserting wrong information into pages but TURN OFF THE GODDAMN WORD FILTER, it ruins pages and hurts research. Zenphia (talk) 12:37, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

How? - Harristic / Talk 12:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

In Special:Preferences you can disable the "Random Minceraft" gadget. -- MarkusRost (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

You already told me this in the wiki forums. I always get angry whenever something happens today. Probably just because I get a lot of anxiety leading up to it. Sorry for the fuss, I'm just really bored of today. Zenphia (talk) 12:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Well no need to worry, April Fools is over, so the minceraft thingy shouldn't bother you anymore. Feel free to turn it back on for that 1 in 10,000 chance of it appearing. James Haydon (talk) 04:23, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

How to turn off the "Mince" word filter

Go to the Gadgets section of the Preferences page and turn off "Random Minc‌eraft".

Zenphia (talk) 12:52, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

History section

Hey, I was thinking that maybe the history section could include the April Fool's Poisonous Potato Update for April 1, 2024. This page is only edited by directors, and I'm not one, unfortunately. -- Sniffin' Snifflet ^Talk|Edits 00:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@PhoenixAsh89 You can suggest improvements to the main page on the /editcopy, which anyone can edit. plighting_engineerd (talk) – Undated comment added at 01:11, 2 April 2024 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

I did this a couple days ago. - Harristic / Talk 20:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 I'm confused! Where is this "History" section on the page? --Simanelix ^(T|C) 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm rather confident they were referring to the "News and events" section. - Harristic / Talk 20:55, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Which image best represents "mobs"

We've been using the Slime for the mob that represents the mobs imagelink in the main section. Recently it was changed to the Tamed Wolf, for the reason that it is "iconic". I do not agree however that it is the most iconic. More so, generally speaking when something is being referred to as a "mob", we tend to think of a purely aggressive mob first, and instead refer to passive ones as a "passive mob" instead. So I would (and have) suggested to use the Zombie instead of the Tamed Wolf, because it is the very first kind of mob you're most likely to encounter in the game. Since this is going to turn into an edit war now, I suggest this discussion instead. Please decide which mob represents "Mobs" the best. - Jack McKalling (talk) 12:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for moving this to the talk page lol. My vote 100% goes to the creeper, for the following reasons:

1. It's instantly recognizable at a glance
2. If you've ever played Minecraft, you'd know it
3. It stands out in both light and dark mode, unlike the wolf (bad in light) or zombie (bad in dark)
4. Its head is also iconic, so we could show just its head as the icon if we wanted to have it be bigger and fill the space like the slime is doing

plighting_engineerd (talk) 12:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Creeper

Creeper Head

Creeper Head (S) JE1-L1

Which image are you then referring to, because these names don't seem too appropriate? - Jack McKalling (talk) 13:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think we need to find the perfect mob that represents all mobs honestly. Slimes are iconic enough and they look really nice since they're square shaped and therefore fit in with all the block render images, so using the slime is good. Slimes are less generic than something like zombies so it adds a bit of personality in my opinion. I don't oppose using something else, I just like the slime. - Harristic / Talk q 12:52, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes we do, because this user is constantly reverting the image back to Tamed Wolf, which you mention is not your choice. And I've currently left it as such. - Jack McKalling (talk) 13:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we could use a chimera, like how there are group block sprites that mash together multiple sprites. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 12:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm fine with the slime, but if we were to change it I'd definitely pick a creeper head. The creeper is the Minecraft mob. :File:Creeper Head (8) JE3.png would fit better than the full render or the small head render. Strongly oppose the chimera sprite as it would look terribly out of place there and I'm not a fan of them in general.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 14:54, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

How about the image stays a Tamed Wolf. It means so much and many would just click the button to find about mobs more. – Unsigned comment added by 90.249.61.49 (talk) at 13:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC). Sign comments with ~~~~

You're the one who set it to the wolf in the first place. Please explain why it needs changing, more than the above arguments against. Don't ask to reason against it, reason for it yourself. - Jack McKalling (talk) 15:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Because this is not some pet wiki managed by girls. We can't just chuck a cute image on the home page. Also, we must conform to the principal or resisting change stubbornly, whenever possible. We here at Failre Wiki Inc. stand for, and I mean double for, but not quite tripply (okay, we hope you ain't catching some weird drift here) freezing in the face of adaptation, and reverting in the face of adveristy. We must keep the main page the way it is, because that is the abitrary standard we set years ago back when we made smart and creative decisions. We can't afford to be creative now. Instead, we must strive to repeat ourselves, in a hope that by repeating the specific execution that brought us success, we will find more success, even when we are forget the method and mindset that led us to discover execution. \s --Simanelix ^(T|C) 05:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Creepers are the most iconic mob in Minecraft, far more than slimes are iconic.Drour1234 (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Dungeons image changes

I propose changing some of the images in Dungeons section of the main page.

1. Soul Wizard -> Key Golem. Soul wizard is a very obscure mob that didn't even exist when the game released, it's also got a more complicated design which doesn't fit too well in the small image space. Key golem is one of Dungeon's mascot mobs and is therefore much more iconic, and has a simpler block appearance, so I think it'd fit better here. I've used the sleeping render, since it makes the image a little simpler, and key golem's default state when found is sleeping.
2. Guard's Armor -> Evocation Robe. Guard's armor is a very obscure piece of gear despite it looking basic, it's only available from specific missions are therefore isn't as recognisable as other armor. Evocation robe is one of Dungeon's most iconic armor pieces arguably, and is a lot more colorful.
3. Cowardice -> Illager's Bane. Cowardice feels like a random enchantment to be here, I think illager's bane would fit better, as illagers are a part of Dungeon's core identity. It's also just more interesting to look at in my opinion.

You can see what these changes look like on the editcopy. Overall, the goal is to have more recognisable images used that don't seem completely arbitrary. - Harristic / Talk 21:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 Strong support - I agree with all of the above. In particular, I'd like to defend the usage of the key golem's sleeping pose. I think it just makes the most sense to include the mob as you find it. An idle pose is far less interesting to look at, and far less dynamic. I would also argue that the sleeping key golem is key (no pun intended) to its identity. They are the little sleepy guys you find around the levels, it would be best to represent them as such. It's also worth mentioning that key golems are one of the few mobs in Minecraft Dungeons iconic enough to get a plushie. These guys are one of the game's mascots. - BD (talk) 21:42, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 Support. For all the reasons brought up here as well as on Discord. - Zamburger (talk) 22:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

 Support - Nothing more that I can add, though I still think Hex should be changed to Valorie since Valorie is the main mascot hero.Drour1234 (talk) 20:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

 Support I designed the new main page and was responsible for choosing these icons – although I have played Dungeons, I haven't played very much of it so I mostly just chose random images that were available at the time and looked cool. I'm certain that whatever you'll chose will probably be more iconic than whatever I did. | violine1101 ^(talk) 21:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

 Support per above. –⁠Sonicwave ^talk 21:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Implemented. - Harristic / Talk 16:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Add Crafter To Featured Content for 1.21

Add the Crafter to the "Featured New and Upcoming Content" reel. The crafter is a very massive update for the 1.21 update, and belongs here. Jubean (talk) 00:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

 Support, it was removed previously in favour of something else, but I think that was a mistake too. You can add it back here yourself though. - Jack McKalling (talk) 08:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

 Support as well. Should one of the other items be removed to make room for it? On my screen with the fixed-width setting enabled, it cleanly displays 6 items in one row whereas adding a 7th item pushes it into a separate row (as seen on the current revision of the editcopy), but I don't know if this is also the case for others. –⁠Sonicwave ^talk 00:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

On my monitor, if it were 3x as wide it would still fit. *flexes* - Jack McKalling (talk) 08:26, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, my monitor shows odd numbers perfectly as well, Jubean (talk) 22:18, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

If we were to remove an entry we could probably afford to toss out ominous trials, it feels more like an extension to the chambers than something that could stand on its own mariberry-hearn! (talk) 12:38, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

If we were to wait a bit, we could soon toss out wolf armour and armadillos, as the community starts to focus more on 1.21 again. Jubean (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

It was also revealed and added to snapshots nearly seven entire months ago. They’re less new than armadillos and wolf armor, and I don’t want to have more than six entries in the new and upcoming section for the sake of fixed width. - Harristic / Talk 22:51, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I'll state more bluntly that I  Oppose for now. I don't think crafters are far more relevant than anything currently in that section, they're the least new 1.21 feature. Let's just wait until 1.21 is closer, then we'll remove armadillos and wolf armor and add crafters and something else to replace them. I'd say wait until the 1.21 release date gets announced to remove them, that's when 1.21 hype will be in full swing. - Harristic / Talk 09:35, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Support, because it was announced in Minecraft Live 2023 and the block changes gameplay signficiantly for anyone interested in redstone-based farms or automation. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 22:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Oppose until the armored paws drop icons are removed, which should only happen once the 1.21 release date is announced. Then we can replace one with the crafter and the other with something else new that might be interesting (i.e. the bogged). I agree that adding one more icon would be too many, not everyone has wide screens. In particular on mobile there already are a lot of icons and one row can only contain three. It'd be nice to have the layout adapt a bit more dynamically and also change which icons are displayed depending on how much space is there perhaps, but I haven't really looked into that beyond what the mainpage already does (which is already somewhat convoluted). | violine1101 ^(talk) 15:22, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Remove Armored Paws content from the upcoming section

Armored Paws released as a proper drop (themed minor update) quite some now. Its features (Armadillo and Wolf Armor) should not be in "Featured new and upcoming content" section. Maybe Armored Paws could get its own section or item in the list of popular pages. --Simanelix ^(T|C) 22:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

It's the "new and upcoming section", I don't think armored paws has even been out for an entire week yet. Let's just wait until 1.21's release date is revealed, that's when 1.21 hype will be in full swing and armored paws interest will have died off. - Harristic / Talk 09:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Add a "more news" link

For those people who don't keep track of the news, or didn't play the game for a long time but come back, it would be nice to expand the news segment to show more than 6 items so they can look back at what's been in the news less recently. Instead of keeping them inline on the page though, a link could direct the clicker to a subpage that lists the archived news entries. Those that pop off the list when a 7th entry is added. This new page would need to be made, with potentially some retroactive work to get the deleted entries back. And each time a news item is added to the list, the older one would need to be moved to this new page instead of outright deleted, although I'd like it more if this could be automated. But how would you guys feel about this idea for a feature, and would it be feasible to make this? - Jack McKalling (talk) 13:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I know I'm not exactly replying in time, but I was literally just thinking, "if only there was a page that had all the news on it". I would look at said page, because I like information, I'm very curious. I agree, I think there should be an "All News" page. Nerdyguy2000 (talk) 22:30, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Adding a news banner for major current events

We don't have a good way to promote the 15th Anniversary page on the main page in the current layout, and sitenotice is usually used for announcements regarding the wiki itself. This topic is to ask for quick approval to add a banner for it, and also for future major current events (e.g. major version release). It should be taken down when it's no longer relevant, in this instance when the anniversary events have ended. Minecraft Wiki/editcopy has a draft. I took liberty to add the CSS for it, and it should only require copying the banner from editcopy. I also appreciate it if someone could improve the wording on the banner. GIM Dianliang233 T C 09:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

 Support.  Nixinova   T   C   09:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

 Strong support, we could also use this for Minecraft Lives, we could have a timer counting down until it happens. - Harristic / Talk 09:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done! GIM Dianliang233 T C 13:44, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Minecraft: The Tournament is published

I would like some admins to add that to the recent news section. I've already saved this to the editcopy. I kinda wish that section was transcluded from a subpage that's only semi-protected, so we can update it. --MinecraftExp123^{(talk|contribs)} 08:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Minceraft Easter Egg

I just got the wiki's Minceraft Easter Egg... How rare is it? Salad (talk) 04:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Same as in game. --MinecraftExp123^{(talk|contribs)} 05:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Wow, thats pretty nice Salad (talk) 15:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Except for April 1. (talk|contributions) 07:53, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Launcher

Add Minecraft Launcher. 2001:4456:C38:C500:7CF0:1BD3:C484:6456 05:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

We already have a link to where to buy the game. However, we cannot have the official launcher link on this wiki because it's not official. Please go to https://minecraft.net/ for the launcher. --MinecraftExp123^{(talk|contribs)} 07:27, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Add launcher to “latest versions.” 2001:4456:C40:2900:ACAE:597B:6C68:69BB 10:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

China Edition:

Please add it. 2001:4456:C58:8600:6C56:4F39:3C3A:19C8 12:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

To latest versions. 2001:4456:C60:9000:E0ED:BAEB:CB4C:F0AE 05:06, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

editcopy added!

Please add an edit copy to all fully protected pages 2001:4456:CB3:7B00:296E:2549:86FF:A735 10:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

Replace it

Feed the beast fandom must be replaced. 2001:4456:CB3:7B00:94C2:FF91:C1FC:19E8 03:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Why? Theirs is still the official wiki for feed the beast. - Jack McKalling (talk) 08:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)