Template talk:Navbox new content

Change to focus around MineCon 2023 rather than 1.21?

Personally, I would prefer if this navbox was based more around "MineCon 2023" announced content, rather than 1.21. I'm not sure if armadillos were explicitly slated to be coming in 1.21, and I also think this is cleaner and more relevant to public interest than a 1.21 navbox that might end up including all of the other features in the update. –Sonicwave ^talk 22:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not opposed to that, whatever helps readers is what we should do. The reason I went with an update focused navbox was specifically so that it could include all the features in the upcoming update, since minecraft live doesn't cover everything in a single update anymore. Although you make a good point about the armadillo, and I did not include and of the spinoff game news or education edition news in this navbox, which probably would be added if it were focused on minecraft live. Overall I am not attached to the name or specific topic, I just want people to be able to navigate between pages easily and explore all the cool new content coming because its really exciting! Mudscape (talk) 22:51, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I think it probably is more intuitive and makes more sense to keep it themed to the update. We could theoretically even expand this to also include past updates, like the update aquatic. I think that'd be very useful for returning players, or also to just explore the wiki. | violine1101 ^(talk) 05:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Change to upcoming nav

Since we found out that armadillos won't be in 1.21, I unofficially changed this nav into an upcoming navbox. I now propose and therefore  support "officially" implementing this change, by that I mean changing the nav's name and formally agreeing on the change in the process. - Harristic / Talk 14:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Once 1.21 is released and we start getting features for 1.22, is the plan to remove this template from all existing pages? Or do we want to keep a "1.21 Update" template on all pages indefinitely? I suspect not, if so I  Support moving the template. — Misode (talk) 14:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't believe we ever agreed on having navs per major update, that would cause basically every page to have too many navs. So yeah we will remove this nav from all articles of content that releases fully. - Harristic / Talk 17:44, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

1.21 has released. Shouldn't the upcoming nav be removed already? We are 3 weeks since the release, so enough time has passed. For the armadillo update, the upcoming nav was removed after release, but this has yet to happen with the tricky trials update. Delvin4519 (talk) 17:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support In my opinion, this template should be about the upcoming features. Also, the name is kinda misleading, since you can technically access these features as part of 1.20.x minor features (you need to enable a data pack, but it's already in the game) --TreeIsLife (talk) 14:30, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

I've added the move template to the template, requesting a move to "Navbox upcoming". Delvin4519 (talk) 04:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Strong support because the title is incorrect. This could also be misleading for the armadillo features if people just glance at it. plighting_engineerd (talk) 13:28, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

 Support per @Plighting Engineerd and per @Harristic. -- Nerdyguy2000 (talk) 13:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

 Support 3A/ThreeEy - [T | C] 11:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Add a section for each of the two upcoming versions

There is already a lot of confusion around which features are for 1.20.5 and which for 1.21. Grouping all these into one navbox isn't helping. That's why I propose making a major separation in the navbox between each version. It will also make it easier to remove a section when a version releases.

— Misode (talk) 22:02, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

 Support — Delycache ^{(Talk | Contributions)} 22:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

 Implemented after getting no opposition. — Misode (talk) 00:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

When should sections be removed?

Since the bundles of bravery drop was just released, we need to discuss when a section should be removed. One option is to do this immediately when the new content is released. Another option is to leave the released content for ~another month.

I am in favor of the second option, since this is a period where lots of people will want to find out about the new content and jump between pages. — Misode (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@245e Pinging you here since you reverted my edit. I would like to hear your opinion on this. The template is called "new content", not "upcoming game drops". Also see the above reasoning for why readers will still find this useful after it's been released. — Misode (talk) 22:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

They should be kept, we kept the tricky trials stuff for a while. I'm unsure about an exact duration of keeping them though, a month for BoB content feels like too long considering it's such a small update. But a month for the pale garden drop makes sense to me. We could just go case by case, remove it when we feel like it. - Harristic / Talk 22:31, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Personally I'd be in favor of having a separate navbox for each update, even past updates. I find the grouping of "features that have been updated in this update cycle" to be pretty useful for navigating personally and I could imagine other readers also thinking so. I suppose Bundles of Bravery and Winter Drop could be part of the Tricky Trials navbox, since they're both (presumably) part of 1.21. | violine1101 ^(talk) 23:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

The navbox already has collapsible sections and on each page only the relevant section is shown by default, so it wouldn't make a big difference. This navbox originally started partially because of the confusion between the armored paws content and the tricky trials. So keeping an overview of all the new content and which drop it belongs to sounds useful to me. — Misode (talk) 00:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Proposal: This navbox should always contain content for the two newest known game drops/updates, including upcoming ones. I.e. at the moment it contains Bundles of Bravery and Winter drop, which will stay as is until the next drop is announced. We could write this down in the template docs so that there's a consistent rule. (Reasoning for this somewhat longer period of keeping new content in the navbox is that while wiki users are very up-to-date with the game, the same is not necessarily the case for readers who might come back to the game after a longer period of time.) | violine1101 ^(talk) 07:05, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

I think that we should remove the Bundles of Bravery section when the Winter Drop gets released. Bundles of Bravery has been out for awhile now and the message has been removed from the main page on November 7th. Java Edition has already started the pre-release phase of development for 1.21.4 and Bedrock Edition has already started development on 1.21.60. Bundles of Bravery was released on October 22. To me, I think it's getting close to time to remove it from Template:Navbox new content. 245e (talk) 14:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

What about all upcoming and the most recent released. For example now bundles of bravery and winter drop or before this year live they and 1.21 Miner(talk contributions) 15:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Winter Drop mc.net File name

Fall Dorp MinecraftFan1000 (talk) 22:13, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

What are you referring to? - Zamburger (talk) 22:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

well i can't find the file anymore i can comfurm that the names said FallDrop of The Images On MC.Net MinecraftFan1000 (talk) 23:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

You might be confusing them with the Bundles of Bravery files (from that article), which are named "MCV_fall_drop_[...]". The Winter Drop files (from that article), on the other hand, are named "MCV_holiday_[...]". :) - Zamburger (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thx That Makes More Sence Now :) MinecraftFan1000 (talk) 23:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

should hardcore say Bedrock Edition and Java Edition Realms only

I'm wondering if the hardcore addition part should be changed from saying Hardcore‌ to Hardcore^{[Bedrock Edition and Java Edition Realms only]}. NmbrblcksFan (talk) 02:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

You do have a good point. It wasn't technically released on only Bedrock Edition. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  02:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

About when newly released versions should be removed from the template

I'd say maybe have them be removed 4 months after their release, e.g. The Garden Awakens would be removed 03/04/2025, 3 months after its release on 03/12/2024. That seems like enough time, since as shown in that 3 year release timeline leak, they're going to release a new drop every ~3 months. Add 1 more month, and that's 4 months. — 3A |  T  C  08:53, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Just found out there already was a discussion before, but looks like it never reached a consensus. I'll still keep this here. — 3A |  T  C  08:54, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

What is new content?

There are currently three discussions on this page that directly or indirectly concern the nature of this template and have not been resolved. This template is currently called "Navbox new content". What is "new"? Everyone seems to agree that upcoming content should be here. What about the latest release? Is the latest release always "new", or does it stop being new after a specified period of time? The topic #Change to upcoming nav discussed changing this navbox to cover only upcoming content, and seems to have some support, but was never implemented. The topics #When should sections be removed? and #About when newly released versions should be removed from the template are both about when to remove the newest release, but have gone unresolved. And there is currently an edit war about removing the latest release because some consider it to be no longer new. Should this template only cover upcoming content and not the newest release? If this template should ever contain the newest release, for how long? If you don't want to reply to this (fourth) topic about this, please reply to any of the three above discussions so we can begin resolving them. Rampage455 (talk) 11:50, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd say that yes, upcoming content should be in a navbox, but what about having a navbox new content and a navbox upcoming content? Otherwise I think three months is as far as an update should go released and in this navbox, especially because of the new drop system. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  18:54, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Do note there was a previous discussion in favor of removing the latest update after the next update is actually released (i.e. removing The Garden Awakens when Spring to Life is released, which is about some time today). Outrowed (talk) 09:32, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. Yes, the consensus appears to be to leave the most recent version in the navbox until the next version is officially released. It was also mentioned in the discussion that the the template documentation should be updated, but it appears that it never was. The documentation is only two sentences, so easy to change. Any objections to changing the documentation to the following? "Use this navbox on pages for upcoming or recently released content. The contents of this navbox should include the most recent full release and officially announced upcoming content." Rampage455 (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes that should be the criteria. - Harristic / Talk 15:02, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Support, no objection from me. Outrowed (talk) 03:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah shore I guess. -~- Nerdyguy2000   Talk   Edits  03:37, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done Rampage455 (talk) 03:40, 26 March 2025 (UTC)