Talk:Summer Drop 2025

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I disagree, I think that THIS update won't be the one to be the summer drop. --FeedbackBot 20:36, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

please see reference [1] of this page:

1 - File names of the images in a Minecraft.net article contains "SummerDrop". Examples include MCV_SummerDrop_Editorial_Exclusive_DotNet_Blog_Editorial_1170x500.jpg.

furthermore, the schedule for drops has already been shown to be seasonal, so it's pretty safe to assume that the "next game drop" is a summer drop. if you really think otherwise i think you shouldn't leave us blank on the "why" of your feedback
mariberry-hearn! (talk) 02:59, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

No, I think that yes, there will be a summer drop, it's just not going to be bedrock 1.21.80 & add the player locator bar. I think it will probably be anunced completely at Minecraft Live. 169.204.203.208 15:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

It might add the Player Locator Bar, just it won't be 1.21.80 (probobly) 169.204.203.208 15:30, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

do you have any actual evidence to present besides "i think that [x]" and a probably? because the contents of the player locator bar announcements very much lead to the assumption that the player locator bar is for the next game drop that would be released at summer - again, please see reference 1 of this page
mariberry-hearn! (talk) 16:29, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

The player locator is experimental, so it will probobly be in the next drop, but not 1.21.80 witch (looking at what their history) will just be mostly bug fixes. I guess it doesn't mater untill minecraft live though, when we'll see what it actualy is. – Unsigned comment added by Simbainspace (talk • contribs) at 03:02, 19 March 2025 (UTC). Please sign comments with ~~~~

Thank you (or whoever did it) for adding (assumed) for 1.21.80. – Unsigned comment added by Simbainspace (talk • contribs) at 23:39, 23 March 2025 (UTC). Please sign comments with ~~~~

In the article: "Now that all the features from our first game drop of 2025 are in testing, we thought why not start on our next game drop?"

So it's clear that player locator bar is the content of next drop. -- Leo768 (talk) 16:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Summer Drop version pages

At the moment, there are 2 version pages (Java Edition 1.21.6 and Bedrock Edition 1.21.80) which are (as this article states) assumed to be the release of the Summer Drop.
First, I  Disagree that BE 1.21.80 will be the release of the Summer Drop, because the Locator Bar was confirmed to be added in the drop, but in 1.21.80 dev versions, it's locked behind an experiment. This means that 1.21.80 will likely not be the full release, but a smaller update (exactly the same as 1.21.60, which also had some experimental features from Spring to Life).
Dev versions for the 'full release' of the Summer Drop have not yet been released, but I think we can assume that it will be JE 1.21.6 and BE 1.21.90. However, this wiki is not for assumptions, so I suggest to remove Java Edition 1.21.6, along with all indications that BE 1.21.80 will be the full release of the Summer Drop, and leave all information about the Summer Drop on this page.
1.21.80 and 1.21.6 should only contain information about features that have already been added to dev versions. As soon as the first snapshot for 1.21.6 is released, that page can be re-created with only the features from the snapshot.
If we want to keep assumed version pages, Bedrock Edition 1.21.90 should contain the same information as 1.21.6, but I'm no fan of this. MinecraftBedrockPlayer7 (talk)(contribs) 09:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

If anyone has sources that 1.21.6 will be the release of the Summer Drop, that page can be kept. MinecraftBedrockPlayer7 (talk)(contribs) 09:35, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree strongly, I said the SAME THING above. – Unsigned comment added by Simbainspace (talk • contribs) at 00:47, 27 March 2025‎ (UTC). Please sign comments with ~~~~

Support deleting Java Edition 1.21.6 - this wiki is not a crystal ball. Arina (she/her) 10:14, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

 Strong oppose deleting these pages.

• We did the same thing for 1.21.5 when its name was not yet confirmed.
• We know that some version containing these features will be released, the only thing we don't know is what the version name will be.
• The "Conjecture" box at the top of the article clarifies that the exact version name of this version is not yet confirmed.
• In addition to summarizing content for the next drop, they also serve as collecting features from dev versions.
• Also we know by analytics that these pages are extremely popular with readers. I cannot overstate that.

| violine1101 ^(talk) 16:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

we know by analytics that these pages are extremely popular with readers - what analytics? Could you elaborate? Arina (she/her) 20:48, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Admins have access to analytics of how many page views each article gets. Articles for future Java Edition releases are consistently among the top 20 pages across the entire wiki, if not higher. | violine1101 ^(talk) 15:45, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I've now rewritten the introduction to Java Edition 1.21.6 to make the current state of affairs clearer. | violine1101 ^(talk) 15:44, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

We only did the same for 1.21.5 because it had implicit officiality in the form of Slicedlime titles etc. 1.21.6 has nothing yet.  Nixinova   T   C   11:28, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

 Support– notable features for the next drop are already explained on the Summer Drop 2025 article. The version for the game drop has not been confirmed yet, so the version name is just pure speculation. JE 1.21.6 could also easily end up being a hotfix (mentioned by Nixinova on related Talk:Java Edition 1.21.6). And, if these pages are popular, we can merge and redirect to that article instead, effectively removing duplicate information. JE 1.21.6 is already mentioned to be assumed version of the drop in the article, so no need to make a separate article for them. Outrowed (talk) 03:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC) (Last edited on 00:14, 27 March 2025 (UTC))

Guys what about 1.22? Will it be an update or a game drop? Shouldn't the summer drop be 1.22? (Sul4ur) 20:47, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps it could be a redirect to "Summer Drop 2025?" ZaLink700 (talk) 01:41, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I’d say we wait for about a week for a possible snapshot for the Summer Drop.

Anyway,  Oppose per Violine.

Another question, why are we even discussing the deletion of JE 1.21.6 on a page which isn’t JE 1.21.6? — 3A |  T  C  02:55, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

This is discussed here because it also applies to BE 1.21.80 (sort of). Although that page no longer lists the features announced in Minecraft LIVE (happy ghast), 1.21.80 is still referred to as the release of the Summer Drop, which is in my eyes not true. MinecraftBedrockPlayer7 (talk)(contribs) 08:42, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

We actually don't know if it will be the release. It could be that the locator bar will be moved out of the experiment for 1.21.80, but it could also end up as a minor update like 1.21.60. MinecraftBedrockPlayer7 (talk)(contribs) 08:44, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

It's like when we assumed 1.21.60 was the spring drop and we found out we wasn't. We can just change it based on any newest information. — 3A |  T  C  09:36, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I have a strong feeling that the summer drop is going to be 1.22.

I mean the locator bar in Bedrock Edition 1.21.80 is an experimental feature, so 1.21.80 is just going to be a minor update.

And also it's been a year since 1.21, so it has to be 1.22. Sul4ur 11:25, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd also like the summer drop to be 1.22, but as it's a "drop" and all drops so far have been minor updates, it's versioned 1.21.6 for now. Once again, we can just move the page. — 3A |  T  C  12:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

The article, in its current form, is purely speculative (MCW:RULES#4). It is misleading the readers into thinking JE 1.21.6 is the actual release for Summer Drop 2025, when in reality, there is no snapshot, patch notes, announcement, or any official sources to back that up. Things like this we should act now rather than waiting when it happens. Outrowed (talk) 12:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

"The Java Edition version number of this drop has not yet been announced, but is assumed to be 1.21.6."

In addition, the page for JE 1.21.6 does not mention the version number at all; it only mentions it is the release of the summer drop:

"The release of the Summer Drop 2025 is an upcoming version of Java Edition that is set to release in June 2025."

The conjecture tag is also at the very top of the page, showing that the version number is given by the community, and has not been announced yet. We did the same for 1.21.5: We didn't have the version number. Even though there was a snapshot already (25w02a), that still wasn't a "source" to back up the fact that it was 1.21.5. We still treated it as 1.21.5 even if the version number wouldn't be revealed until pre1. During that time, we were also speculating that the version would be a spring drop. At that time, it could very well be just a version like 1.20.2. If we did the same for 1.21.5, I see no reason why we shouldn't do that for 1.21.6.

If we happened to remove this page after any reason, I think we should just move it somewhere else (e.g. a user page) until the first snapshot for .6 is released. It doesn't feel right to just outright delete everything, with this article being reusable. — 3A |  T  C  13:06, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

In addition, the page for JE 1.21.6 does not mention the version number at all; it only mentions it is the release of the summer drop ... – then the title is problematic, it should provide a sufficient description of what is in the article, rather than being the opposite. I should also mention that the quote you referred to before does not exist in the page, the introduction states "The release of the Summer Drop 2025 is an upcoming version of Java Edition that is set to release in June 2025.", which implies that JE 1.21.6 is the release of Summer Drop 2025.

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The conjecture tag is also at the very top of the page, showing that the version number is given by the community, and has not been announced yet. – the conjecture tag is often used for the topic that is commonly named/referred to by the community, but as it currently shows, there is uncertainty among editors in this discussion whether JE 1.21.6 should be the release version for Summer Drop 2025. I also feel like the tag is being used over the top here. In my experience, conjecture tag is often used for a feature or topic that has definitely exists in the game or at least supported by official sources, things like Expect the unexpected, Monster infighting, etc. As for Legacy Console Edition, Early & Late Classics, they require proper discussion and community consensus before hand on what to name things unofficially.

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We did the same for 1.21.5: We didn't have the version number. Even though there was a snapshot already (25w02a), that still wasn't a "source" to back up the fact that it was 1.21.5. We still treated it as 1.21.5 even if the version number wouldn't be revealed until pre1. During that time, we were also speculating that the version would be a spring drop. At that time, it could very well be just a version like 1.20.2. If we did the same for 1.21.5, I see no reason why we shouldn't do that for 1.21.6. – there is a reason why we shouldn't speculate, the readers expect this wiki to give factual and reliable information over things that are uncertain and prone to mistake. Many well-known community members refer 25w02a as the first snapshot for the next game drop when it was released ([1], [2]), other speculate whether it was 1.22 or 1.21.5.

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If we happened to remove this page after a consensus was reached, I think we should just move it somewhere else (e.g. a user page) until the first snapshot for .6 is released. It doesn't feel right to just outright delete everything, with this article being reusable. – I was thinking of merging the article to Summer Drop 2025, where the information there are definite. But if we are trying to preserve the page, then I suggest renaming the title to something else. Outrowed (talk) 14:13, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I do agree with this, if the pages are decided to be removed they should be preserved somewhere. FireDragons52 06:42, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

I agree that we can assume that 1.21.6 will be the release of the summer drop, but I think such a version page should only list features that have already been added in development versions, like the page 1.21.80 now. MinecraftBedrockPlayer7 (talk)(contribs) 13:50, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

 Very strong support. Despite, summer drop could be for 1.22, despite being a drop. It's been a year since 1.21، so it could be 1.22.

Sul4ur 17:50, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

 Strong support. While the pages are useful, particularly for search results, they don't feel necessary in most ways. Bedrock Edition 1.21.80 is fine, the Summer Drop content is listed under experimental, but I believe it would work instead to have Java Edition 1.21.6 and Bedrock Edition 1.21.90 redirect to this page rather than have version pages. Once snapshots or previews for the Summer Drop itself begin to be released, pages being created makes sense, but as of now they just don't feel necessary. I also disagree that 1.21.6/1.21.90 will be the Summer Drop, I believe they'll be 1.22 due to the June release, but that's getting into more theoretical discussion than discussion related to the Summer Drop version pages. FireDragons52 06:38, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

 Delete 1.21.6. Not official or assumable in any form yet.  Nixinova   T   C   11:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

 Strong support. I think Bedrock Edition 1.21.80 should be kept, though not as the release target of the Summer Drop, and Java Edition 1.21.6 should be removed or at least put as a redirect to this page until next Tuesday when an actual snapshot for the upcoming Java Edition release comes out. Sightnado (talk) 19:14, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

then the title is problematic, it should provide a sufficient description of what is in the article, rather than being the opposite.

Is changing the article title to something along the lines of Untitled Java Edition Summer Drop release a viable option? UltraUsurper (talk) 05:40, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

Do note that I was responding to the original quote from user 3A, which might already been resolved by violine on an edit and comment. I do still think naming it "Java Edition 1.21.6" is misleading to readers when there is no version exist for it or official source to confirm, so I recommend renaming to "Upcoming Java Edition version". Plus, in the future, if there are two hypothetical independent announced versions, we could disambiguate to "Upcoming Java Edition version (Summer Drop 2025)" and "Upcoming Java Edition version (XXX Drop)". Note "Upcoming" because it is already confirmed that a snapshot is expected for Summer Drop 2025. Outrowed (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

 Note - If a snapshot for 1.21.6 releases today (which is extremely likely), the discussion about the deletion of the 1.21.6 page will immediately become irrelevant, and we'll only have to talk about 1.21.80's problem. — 3A |  T  C  14:02, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Not necessarily. This discussion can set a precedent for future versions. Outrowed (talk) 14:03, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Yep. Anyway, 25w15a just released, we can continue on with the problem with 1.21.80. — 3A |  T  C  14:04, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

AFAIK they still haven't called it 1.21.6 yet; it was announced as "first snapshot of the second game drop of 2025". We still don't know the version number, so "Upcoming Java Edition version" as suggested by Outrowed might still be a more appropriate title, until we have official confirmation. The version certainly needs a page now, now that we have a snapshot for it, so deletion should be off the table. UltraUsurper (talk) 14:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

See how we did it for 1.21.5: First snapshot released, page was already called 1.21.5. We’ll probably still look at Slicedlime’s playlist, even if its his personal project.

I will admit, I did create the 1.21.6 page a bit early. I was trying to get the page created as early as possible. — 3A |  T  C  14:58, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

We still don't know for sure that 1.21.6 is going to be the release of the Summer Drop. We don't know that until and unless Mojang explicitly says so in an official context. It could end up being a minor update like 1.21.80 is likely to be, or we might even skip to 1.22. Since we don't have a wiki policy or consensus regarding this, it doesn't matter much what we did for 1.21.5. We shouldn't use unofficial version numbers when we're not sure; "Java Edition Summer Drop release" or "Upcoming Java Edition version" perfectly suffice as placeholder titles. UltraUsurper (talk) 15:25, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

We also didn't know if 1.21.5 was going to be 1.21.5 or 1.22. We did the same thing: use {{conjecture}}, which is made exactly for this situation. | violine1101 ^(talk) 15:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Once again, since there is no clear consensus regarding this yet, as indicated by this discussion, what we did for 1.21.5 isn't super relevant. {{conjecture}} is supposed to be used when something in the game doesn't have an official name or has a common name in the community, not for speculating on future unreleased version numbers (at least not exactly for that purpose). UltraUsurper (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

I would argue the usage of {{Conjecture}} in here must at least be supported by community or official sources of naming things. By community, I mean multiple well-known community members providing coverage on the snapshot and referring them as for Java Edition 1.21.6, then it is a topic named by the community. For now, not everyone agreed on calling it 1.21.6, I would at least wait for multiple video covering the new snapshot, Slicedlime is included. Outrowed (talk) 15:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Considering slicedlime's playlist now denotes the version as 1.21.6 and no other major community figures are calling it 1.22, I think it is safe to leave it as 1.21.6. Sightnado (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, pretty much. Outrowed (talk) 23:55, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

 Comment - With the release of 25w15a, this discussion now feels like it pertains more to precedent rather than these specific version pages. I like the above idea of "Upcoming Java Edition version", with a redirect from 1.21.6 and from 1.22. Similarly, an "Upcoming Bedrock Edition version" page could be useful as it seems 1.21.80 is the update introducing the experimental options for it, similar to 1.21.60. FireDragons52 20:45, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

With the release of 25w15a and Slicedlime using 1.21.6 and no one else using 1.22, I think the problem of what we should do to the 1.21.6 page is over. For future versions, I think we can do the following:

• Page created after first dev version: use version number, confirm via other community figures
• Page created after announcement of drop but before first dev version: use "Upcoming <insert version> <drop> release", change to version number after it has been sorta confirmed, like point above
• Page created before announcement of drop: delete

— 3A |  T  C  23:48, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

 Oppose for the second point. When a drop is announced, the page for that drop is created documenting all the announced features. Creating seperate version JE and BE pages for the drop would be useless since we don't have any released version to document, and ultimately, we would end up writing the same announced features, i.e. duplicating information from the drop page. Not to mention it could also fall in speculation category, being it too early without any strong evidence to prove.  Suggestion redirect all pages that are likely going to be searched for the next versions to the existing drop pages, e.g. "Java Edition 1.21.7" and "Bedrock Edition 1.21.90" to "XXX Drop". Outrowed (talk) 00:47, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

References

Hostile Mob(s)

Will the Summer Drop 2025 have new Hostile Mob(s)? Zachaybarb (talk) 02:48, 9 April 2025 (UTC)