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MarkusRost (talk) 22:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)Currently LCE Template:History tables don't specify what edition the version numbers in the columns refer to. Especially the PlayStation and Nintendo Switch version numbers are easy to mix up as they both use a similar format:
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||
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| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||
Additionally, due to using the same version number, the PS3, PS4 and PSVita version numbers are currently combined in one column and link the general disambiguation page of the respective version number (that is sometimes shared with unrelated versions of other editions), even though separate pages for each version exist. I propose to introduce separate columns for PS3, PS4 and PSVita versions that link the respective pages directly.
As a solution for the first problem, I propose this modification of the LCE history table:
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
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| Xbox 360 | Xbox One | PS3 | PSVita | PS4 | Wii U | Switch | |
| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
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Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 11:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
Discussion of the proposal Edit
- Due to a WebKit (Safari) issue with borders of colspan cells, I would like to propose an alternative version with an open top border:
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
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| Xbox 360 | Xbox One | PS3 | PSVita | PS4 | Wii U | Switch | |
| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
- -- MarkusRost (talk) 12:08, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 12:34, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 13:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support --
- Strong support Has been missing for ages. --TreeIsLife (talk) 13:46, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- While definitely an improvement over what we have currently, the very fact of squeezing seven versions into one table bothers me. — BabylonAS 13:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support any change that removes the disambiguation links for the PS3, PS4, and PS Vita editions, where those disambiguation links currently clutter Special:DisambiguationPageLinks, making that list hard to read through. As such, such cleanup of the PS disambiguation links would greatly benefit the wiki and clean up maintainance pages. I don't feel strongly or have any strong opinion with the table redesigns. Delvin4519 (talk) 14:24, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Great change! - Harristic / Talk
18:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Great change! - Harristic / Talk
- Support - UnExpectedDino
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- Support - UnExpectedDino
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- Support - So much better than what it is currently. --
StizzurpXDD(talk) 11:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support - So much better than what it is currently. --
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Xbox 360 | Xbox One | PS3 | PSVita | PS4 | Wii U | Switch | |
| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Xbox 360 | Xbox One | PS3 | PSVita | PS4 | Wii U | Switch | |
| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
- Support - Overdue change, perhaps a bit cleaner without the dashed lines at all there. --Ionface (talk) 09:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
WeakSlight oppose removing the cell borders. I think having some kind of divider between the titles makes it easier to map the headings to the respective columns. — Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 14:17, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with this, though I don't mind too much either way. - Harristic / Talk 09:55, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Delycache: Have you looked at this in dark mode? Only the sides having dashed lines looks tacky, but it's not that noticeable in light mode. Ionface (talk) 08:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with this, though I don't mind too much either way. - Harristic / Talk
- Support the proposal - Safari user here. I Prefer this design -- I find this design looks the best out of the designs proposed and is the least busy on the page at the moment. The dashed lines in the other designs are inconsistent and makes them distracting to me. -BrianGLHF (talk) 17:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Overdue change, perhaps a bit cleaner without the dashed lines at all there. --Ionface (talk) 09:29, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
Here is how it would look like with icons instead of text. See if y'all like it. (Also swapped order of PS4 and Vita to be more consistent with other articles)
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
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| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
--MemphisM (talk) 13:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- This version is great visually. Initially I was concerned about the logos not being as readable as plain text, but they're all either so iconic and recognisable that you will understand what they represent (Switch and Xbox) or simply use text in the logo anyways (PlayStation and Wii U). So I think I Support this version, I'm not really opposed to any of these variations so far. - Harristic / Talk 13:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I changed the console icons in your version of the table to link to the article about the respective console edition; it was linking the console's Wikipedia article before. — Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 13:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose 1: As someone that didn't grow up with a console, I didn't know the diffrence between the two Xbox logos. This isn't a real issue -the info is just a hover away-, but it's still a factor.
2: I think the playstation icons get too close to being unreadable on dark mode. Again this can be solved with a hover, but why not just the text? Hoppp (talk) 14:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC) - Oppose this feels too busy to me. I would prefer just text here. -BrianGLHF (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Support all versions proposed till now with some kind of indicator of which column refers to which version.--
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.Vdiu | Talk | Contributions . 13:38, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Vote on table design Edit
As the responses to this topic were in favor of the proposed changes, the remaining question is which table design we choose. The following variants were proposed in the general discussion:
Variants Edit
Variant 1 by MarkusRost Edit
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Xbox 360 | Xbox One | PS3 | PSVita | PS4 | Wii U | Switch | |
| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
Variant 2 by Ionface Edit
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Xbox 360 | Xbox One | PS3 | PSVita | PS4 | Wii U | Switch | |
| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
Variant 3 by Ionface Edit
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
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| Xbox 360 | Xbox One | PS3 | PSVita | PS4 | Wii U | Switch | |
| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
Variant 4 by MemphisM Edit
| Legacy Console Edition | |||||||
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| TU7 | CU1 | 1.00 | 1.00 | 1.00 | Patch 1 | 1.0.1 | Added the enchanting system. |
| TU31 | CU19 | 1.22 | 1.22 | 1.22 | Patch 3 | Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. | |
| Enchanting has been re-balanced. | |||||||
| Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once. | |||||||
You can use Template:Vote to rank the variants.
Vote Edit
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
- Variant 1 has the most support.
1 Variant 1 2 Variant 2 3 Variant 4 4 Variant 3— Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 11:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Edit: 1 Variant 1 2 Variant 2 3 Variant 3 4 Variant 4 - Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 14:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Edit: 1 Variant 1 2 Variant 2 3 Variant 3 4 Variant 4 -
- I Support using variant 3. I don't have enough of an opinion on the others to rank them, they're all pretty good at least. - Harristic / Talk
11:22, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay I also Support variant 1 just as much as variant 3. I don't care that much, I just want to see this implemented, literally any of these are major improvements over having nothing. - Harristic / Talk 19:47, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Okay I also Support variant 1 just as much as variant 3. I don't care that much, I just want to see this implemented, literally any of these are major improvements over having nothing. - Harristic / Talk
- I have a feeling that seven columns (eight, if also counting the description of changes) is just too much. Is there a different solution? As for those four, I don’t really lean to any of them. — BabylonAS 11:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know much about this, but just looking at the example, it seems the PlayStation versions will often be the same? Can someone clarify how often that's the case? If it's a large majority of the versions are the same, it might be possible to merge them. Hoppp (talk) 11:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- The Minecraft Wiki history mentions that the LCE version pages were split back in 2020. From a technical standpoint, the pages use Template:Console version - Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 13:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Edit: Here is the original discussion which led to the decision against merged version pages across all LCE platforms: Talk:Legacy_Console_Edition_version_history#Splitting_into_separate_pages_for_each_update? - Delycache (Talk | Contributions) 14:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- The Minecraft Wiki history mentions that the LCE version pages were split back in 2020. From a technical standpoint, the pages use Template:Console version -
- 1 Variant 4 2 Variant 1 3 Variant 2 4 Variant 3 - I really like the icons that suggests which platform it is on Variant 4. -- StizzurpXDD(talk) 15:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Variant 3 2 Variant 1 3 Variant 2 4 Variant 4, not a fan of using logos instead of text - they don't really save space, they are worse for accessibility, and the Xbox 360 and Xbox One logos aren't distinct enough for readers not familiar with those consoles.--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 17:01, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I support this as well! COS wikiuser (talk) 11:16, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Variant 3 2 Variant 2 3 Variant 1 4 Variant 4 I dont like the logos, and I dont like the inconsistency of having dotted lines when I dont see them anywhere else on the wiki. Hoppp (talk) 10:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Variant 1 2 Variant 3 3 Variant 2 4 Variant 4 – I agree that the logos, while perhaps visually appealing, tend to stand out especially since there are no logos for any of the other editions. I think I prefer version 1 slightly (with dashed lines between each edition title), but otherwise don't have a strong preference. Any of them would be an improvement over the current format which relies on you to determine the platform from its version naming format. –Sonicwave talk 18:09, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Support in preference order equal to the presented order. Logos are indeed messy and I prefer having the separation in the heading. Nixinova T C 07:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Variant 1 2 Variant 3 3 Variant 2 4 Variant 4 - UnExpectedDino ᐸ talk | contribs 19:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Variant 1 2 Variant 2 3 Variant 3 4 Variant 4 - I think the original variant is the cleanest, the division makes it easier to read for me. - BD (talk) 19:40, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- 1 Variant 1 2 Variant 2 3 Variant 3 4 Variant 4 BDJP (t|c) 19:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose All of these are bad because there is no table header cell above the description column.
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Legacy Console Edition Xbox 360 Xbox One PS3 PSVita PS4 Wii U Switch Changes TU7 CU1 1.00 1.00 1.00 Patch 1 1.0.1 Added the enchanting system. TU31 CU19 1.22 1.22 1.22 Patch 3 Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. Enchanting has been re-balanced. Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once.
- Note the "Changes" column header for the changes. --Simanelix (T|C) 14:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - We literally do this on 0 history tables. Why would only this one have it? that doesn’t make sense. - BD (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- We could also have an empty column there. I don't understand why that wasn't listed as an option. --Simanelix (T|C) 14:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would be inconsistent with the other history tables, which don't have the "changes" header (nor they need one).--Capopanzo (talk | contribs) 14:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- I still think putting an empty cell there is a good idea:
- Oppose - We literally do this on 0 history tables. Why would only this one have it? that doesn’t make sense. - BD (talk) 14:19, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
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Legacy Console Edition Xbox 360 Xbox One PS3 PSVita PS4 Wii U Switch TU7 CU1 1.00 1.00 1.00 Patch 1 1.0.1 Added the enchanting system. TU31 CU19 1.22 1.22 1.22 Patch 3 Enchanting now consumes lapis lazuli. Enchanting has been re-balanced. Enchanted books can now receive multiple enchantments at once.
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- The above discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.